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“Obviously there are some other factors besides El Nino for the recent temperature increase.
“For higher resolution, please see PDF on https://www1.columbia.edu/~mhs119/ElNino-LaNina/…”
https://x.com/MakikoSato6/status/1842646087967900027
“Percent of global ocean with September sea surface temperatures (SSTs) of at least 30C (86F).
“It’s as if something has changed… 🤔“
https://x.com/Climatologist49/status/1843129148769959977
“September 2024 was the second-moistest September on record for the planet, ending a streak of 14 consecutive record-moist months that started in July 2023…
“It was only slightly less moist than September 2023 – and far moister than all Septembers from 1940-2022. This has been associated with an increase in the coverage of upper decile (top 10%) rainfall events.”
https://x.com/BenNollWeather/status/1843103511774687624
“Rivers dried up at the highest rate in three decades in 2023, putting global water supply at risk, data has shown…
“Climate breakdown appears to be changing where water goes, and helping to cause extreme floods and droughts. 2023 was the hottest year on record, with rivers running low and countries facing droughts, but it also brought devastating floods across the globe.”
“Lake ice quality decreasing… It’s not just ice quantity that climate change affects…
“Warmer winters are “creating thinner layers of black ice and sometimes a corresponding thicker layer of white ice,” which can “make for treacherous conditions for skaters, hockey players, snowmobilers, ice anglers and ice truckers.”
https://theweek.com/environment/lake-ice-quality-decreasing
“Is Arctic methane stoking the climate crisis?
“…The risk of an explosive increase of planet-heating gases from the far north has had climate scientists anxious for a while – but, until recently, the evidence has been hard to read.. Now proofs are starting to stack up that, by melting the poles, we may be unleashing the whirlwind.”
https://johnmenadue.com/is-arctic-methane-stoking-the-climate-crisis/
“Letters from Greenland… When the Arctic melts…
“In July, 2012, surface melt was detected at Summit for the first time since modern measurements began. In 2019, the station experienced melt in mid-June and then again in late July. On August 14, 2021, it rained, an event so remarkable that it made news around the world.”
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/10/14/when-the-arctic-melts
“Russian minister asks farmers to pray as lack of rain persists…
““We plan to sow 20 million hectares, like last year. But we are sowing practically in sand in the hope that it will rain,” Interfax cited Lut as saying. In many winter crops growing regions it hasn’t rained “since about April,” she added.”
https://fortune.com/2024/10/07/russia-economy-minister-farmers-prayer-drought-rain-wheat/
“Farmers are “praying” there will be no more downpours as they struggle to meet demand amid widespread flooding [UK]…
“Market gardener Phil Collins, from Bromham, near Devizes, said: “There is not going to be enough food grown in this country if things go on like it is.””
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgmgxxz2e29o
“The residents of a small Alpine resort have voted to close their ski lifts for good, due to a lack of snow and mounting debts.
“For 65 years, the “télésiège” (chairlift) of Seyne-les-Alpes – which has a permanent population of 1,305 – carried skiers to an altitude of 1,800m (5,906ft).”
“September Floods Broke 127-Year-Old Czech Record For Rainfall In One Day…
“The mid-September floods broke the 127-year-old Czech record for rainfall per day in one place, as 386 millimetres of water, or 386 litres per square metre, fell in Loucna nad Desnou in the Olomouc region on 14 September, according to the Czech Hydrometeorological Institute.”
“Bosnia Counts Cost of Deadly Floods.
“Authorities are still assessing the damage caused by the recent floods and landslides, which took at least 20 lives and have left whole villages completely cut off.”
https://balkaninsight.com/2024/10/07/bosnia-counts-cost-of-deadly-floods/
“EUROPE Between unusual cold and record heat. After Spain, Portugal & North Africa the record heat moved East with Tmins up to 25C in Greece and Turkey.
“Tropical nights in Ukraine and Romania. UKRAINE OCTOBER HOTTEST NIGHT.“
https://x.com/extremetemps/status/1842632404705415603
“Greek honey production plummets due to climate change.
“Honey production in Greece is projected to be at least 50% lower than in previous years, primarily due to a water crisis caused by prolonged drought and consecutive heatwaves.”
“Sardinia’s sheep farmers battle bluetongue as climate warms.
“The sheep huddle together, bleeding from the nose, aborting lambs or suffocating on saliva as they succumb to bluetongue, a virus sweeping through flocks on the Italian island of Sardinia.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sardinias-sheep-farmers-battle-bluetongue-052104118.html
“Climate change fuels Libya’s red spider mite scourge.
“Tiny but destructive red mites which thrive in arid conditions have led to huge crop losses in northwestern Libya and threaten to wreak havoc across the wider region. The red spider mites, typically measuring less than half a millimetre, feed on a wide range of plants…”
https://www.scidev.net/global/news/climate-change-fuels-libyas-red-spider-mite-scourge/
“HISTORIC HEAT IN ALGERIA – MIN 30.2 MAX 43.7 Adrar [110.7F] Double record: Hottest night and hottest day in October.
“All Mediterranean countries, except for Italy, have already broken records for October, like previously for all months of 2024.”
https://x.com/extremetemps/status/1842635760660320281
“Cameroon says homeless flood victims escaped to Chad as fresh floods ravage camps…
“Officials in Cameroon say fresh flooding has forced at least 70,000 people out of temporary camps that were set up for flood victims along the country’s northern border with Chad and Nigeria. Some of the displaced flood victims have now moved to neighboring Chad…”
“RECORD HEAT IN SOUTH AFRICA. Up to 43C [109.4] in the Southwest with strong berg winds.
“More October records broken: 41.5 Lamberts Bay; 1.5 Uitenhage; 41.3 Koingnaas; 41.0 Ngqura; 35.8 Cape St Francis.”
https://x.com/extremetemps/status/1842611376881095102
“INSANE RECORD HEAT ALL OVER ASIA. Records have been falling from Saudi Arabia to Indonesia in every single country.
“Historic in OMAN: 44.4C [111.9F] Sohar Majis October record smashed. Minimums up to 33C. INDIA with more record warm nights…”
https://x.com/extremetemps/status/1842587749125370269
“Iraq needs 30-plus new dams, says water minister…
“In order for Iraq to be able to secure reliable water sources for its growing population as the country battles the adverse effects of climate change, including drought and desertification, more than 30 new dams should be built for that purpose, the country’s water minister, Ouni Dhiab, said.”
https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/story/392590/Iraq-needs-30-plus-new-dams,-says-water-minister
“Heatstroke and dehydration: Chennai air show [India] turns fatal for spectators…
“At least five people died and over 200 were hospitalised during the Indian Air Force (IAF) air show in Chennai. IAF’s thrilling aerial display, which was aimed at entering the Limca Book of World Records, turned fatal…”
“At least 15 people have been killed in floods and landslides triggered by heavy rainfall in India’s northeastern state of Meghalaya over the last four days, officials said on Monday.
“More rain is expected in parts of the state through this week, with the India Meteorological Department forecasting “isolated heavy rainfall”.”
“Floods in Bangladesh leave five dead, thousands stranded.
“At least five people have died and more than 100,000 remain stranded as devastating floods, triggered by heavy rains and upstream torrents, continue to ravage northern Bangladesh, officials said on Sunday.”
“Nepalis fear more floods as climate change melts glaciers…
“Nepal is reeling from its worst flooding in decades after ferocious monsoon rains swelled rivers and inundated entire neighborhoods in the capital Kathmandu, killing at least 236 people.”
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2024/10/07/asia-pacific/nepalis-floods-climate-change-glaciers/
“After experiencing major floods in June & July, the Yangtze River Basin was suddenly hit by a severe heat and drought.
“The water level of the Yangtze River in Wuhan dropped by 14m compared to two months ago, and is about to set a record low for the same period in history.”
https://x.com/yangyubin1998/status/1842556686130901339
“The calm after Typhoon Yagi hurts as much as the storm [Vietnam]…
“Typhoon Yagi may have passed, but the grief left in its wake still howls like the winds that brought it. Families, already vulnerable, now face an unimaginable ordeal: how do you rebuild your life when you have lost everything?”
https://www.unicef.org/blog/calm-after-typhoon-yagi-hurts
“At least three killed as floods swamp Thailand’s Chiang Mai…
“The city, a popular tourist destination, was inundated by torrential rain as the Ping River swelled to 5.30 metres (17.4 feet), its highest level in 50 years, on Saturday night. The river runs along the eastern edge of the city.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/7/at-least-three-killed-as-floods-swamp-thailands-chiang-mai
“THAILAND AGAIN.
“19 months breaking heat records every day… and here we are… Hottest October day on record for 2 stations in Southern Thailand today: 35.7 [96.3F] Koh Lanta; 35.4 Satun.”
https://x.com/extremetemps/status/1843312830721687674
“Australia Set for More Severe Cyclones This Season on Warm Seas.
“Australia is likely to see an above average number of severe tropical cyclones this season, according to the nation’s weather agency, which have the potential to damage crops and flood mining operations.”
“Andes glaciers shrinking at unprecedented rate.
“Tropical glaciers melting to ‘unprecedented’ extent, study suggests. Bedrock now exposed at the margins of four glaciers in the Andes Mountains has not seen the light of day since over 11,700 years ago.”
https://www.dw.com/en/andes-glaciers-shrinking-at-unprecedented-rate/g-70411429
“HISTORIC 44.5C [112.1F] Goias BRAZIL – HIGHEST TEMPERATURE EVER RECORDED IN BRAZIL SINCE JANUARY 1963 (44.6 Orleans) and highest ever in Goias State.
“Brazilian climatic history is rewritten. Many other records fell including 42.2 Miranda, but also in Argentina with a Tmin of 27.2 at Tartagal.”
https://x.com/extremetemps/status/1843040283719602345
“EXTRAORDINARY EVENT – SOUTH AMERICA ANSWERS TO THE 47/117 OF NORTH AMERICA. 47 DEGREES 47.0c [116.6F] Villamontes is BOLIVIA’s HOTTEST DAY IN HISTORY.
“World climatic history is being rewritten again. Many other records include 43.4 Aquidauana BRAZIL, Reyes Bolivia.”
https://x.com/extremetemps/status/1843402865769099759
“Bolivia wildfires burn record area, scorching homes and farms.
“Wildfires in Bolivia have burned through more than 10 million hectares (24.7 million acres) this year, mostly in the country’s tropical east, smashing records for its worst-ever fire season and scorching an area the size of Iceland or Cuba.”
“Farmers scramble as prolonged drought in Mexico devastates crop yields: ‘Almost no vegetation in the landscape’.
“”The levels of our farming wells are dwindling,” said local farmer Angel Rueda Solorio. “We are no longer able to sow our crops due to the lack of water. We have already had several years, two consecutive years without rain.””
https://www.thecooldown.com/outdoors/chihuahua-drought-farmers-mexican-state/
“HISTORIC 47.2C [117F] Ejido Nuevo Leon MEXICO ties NORTH AMERICA’s HOTTEST OCTOBER DAY IN HISTORY which was set in California at Mecca in 1980 and on Oct 1st 2024 at Palm Springs & Indio
“USA & Mexico ends TIED 47.2 vs 47.2/117F vs 117F.”
https://x.com/extremetemps/status/1843360780873544189
“California set an ominous temperature record over the weekend.
“The Golden State had never recorded temperatures above 115 this late in the year… The so-called City of Festivals, home to the annual Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival, reached 116 degrees on Oct. 6, the hottest temperature ever recorded this late in the year anywhere in the state.”
https://www.sfgate.com/la/article/hottest-october-temperature-california-19821269.php
“Hurricane Milton: ‘Potentially catastrophic’ Category 5 storm takes aim at Florida…
““It’s an incredible, incredible, incredible hurricane,” said John Morales, a hurricane specialist for NBC 6 South Florida, who choked up on air. “This is just horrific.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/live-blog/hurricane-milton-live-updates-rcna174253
“Your ‘bonus moment of doom’ for today:
“Milton strengthened from a tropical storm to a Category 5 hurricane in the last 24 hours with a 90-knot wind speed change. This ties the previous record for the greatest wind speed increase held by Wilma in 2005.”
https://x.com/EliotJacobson/status/1843341315532308627
“Milton is the only category 5 hurricane in Atlantic records (HURDATv2, 1851-present) to have any sort of a southeasterly motion vector.”
https://x.com/burgwx/status/1843330270243742049
“Hurricane Helene death toll surpasses 230 as rescue efforts continue…
“The grim task of recovering bodies continued more than a week after the monster storm ravaged the southeast, killing people in six states… It was still unclear how many people were unaccounted for or missing…”
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/hurricane-helene/?id=113931821
“IOWA HOTTEST OCTOBER DAY IN HISTORY tied.
“97F at Atlantic ties the State October highest temperature recorded at Onawa and Knoxville in 1938, Forrest City and Shenadoah in 1963 and Sioux City in 2023.”
https://x.com/extremetemps/status/1842725244546527524
“NEBRASKA HOTTEST OCTOBER DAY IN HISTORY tied.
“100F Offutt ties the State record recorded at Culbertson in 1900, Fairbury, Hebron and Red Cloud in 1947. US is living its most extreme event since July 1936.”
https://x.com/extremetemps/status/1842727964556873847
“Wildfires driven by ferocious winds and fueled by dry conditions raged through parts of western North Dakota over the weekend, leading to one death and forcing more than 100 people to evacuate their homes.
“Officials don’t expect the region’s tinder-dry conditions to improve soon.”
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/weekend-wildfires-lead-1-death-large-areas-burned-114565827
“Could Earth’s ‘evil twin’ Venus carry a dire warning about climate change?
“… something seems to have gone drastically wrong in the development of Venus, leaving it quite hellish and inhospitable. There is a good chance that “something” is an extreme runaway greenhouse effect, the consequence of an overabundance of atmospheric greenhouse gases.”
https://www.space.com/venus-earth-greenhouse-gases-climate-change
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Milton looks like it might be a quarter of a trillion dollar storm, and Florida could see some more on the east coast in late October or early November by the medium term convection patterns. The SSTs are so high that hurricane season could extend into December. Next year could be just as bad, although there is some indication of a new El Nino forming later on (so fewer Atlantic storms but more heat waves).
Globally it’s looking less and less likely that we will get through the twenties without some huge famines, and before that widespread bread riots, maybe starting in Egypt soon if the Russian wheat crop is as bad is they are fearing; large unrest there with MENA in its current powder keg state could lead to all sorts of escalation especially added to, what looks like, a pretty volatile situation with oil supply and price (with maybe the first signs of post peak supply declines kicking in).
https://www.nbcnews.com/weather/hurricanes/live-blog/hurricane-milton-live-updates-rcna174425
The weatherman almost in tears, describing Milton
Latest from Mayor is saying the surge is not survivable.
Florida needs some luck here. As I understand it, Milton retaining Cat 4 strength and striking just north of Tampa would be the worst case scenario… Not that any of the scenarios are great.
In my own experience, winds over 75mph are pretty alarming. I can’t even begin to imagine what one of these tropical hurricanes would be like.
Agreed.. stability on planet Earth will not exist in the 2030s.
Whether people are inclined to acknowledge it or not, we are all already being adversely affected by climate change now, even if for most of us it is still in a low key fashion, like a car damaged by a pothole, higher insurance premiums or paying more for various foodstuffs.
Love how you put the article about Russians praying for rain next to the one about the English praying for it to stop raining. Keep praying everyone, it’ll ease the pain of inaction
John, thank you. I did have a wry chuckle over that this morning.
Rivers drying up are they? The Army corps of Engineers to the rescue…
Yes, the Mississippi River has been drying up in 2023 due to a combination of factors, including drought, excessive heat, and lack of precipitation. The river has reached near-record lows at many gauges, with the river level at a gauge in Memphis reaching -10.26 feet on September 26, 2023.
The low water levels are causing shipping challenges for grain to move down the river. The Mississippi is an essential route for transporting food, energy, and steel to international markets. The low water levels have led to a spike in barge rates and potentially disrupting the transportation of goods.
The Army Corps of Engineers has been working with the USCG and the Navigational industry to identify problem spots on the river and respond with necessary dredge assets
Just a little fixing is what’s needed…as recommend by former Sec of State, Rex Tillerson, former CEO of Exxon Mobile, who was allied “dumb as a rock” by then President Trump, who is very familiar with dumb…and set to be the next President because we just can’t have a skirt in the oval office chair…not that the country is being oversee by the wife of the present President in cabinet meetings..
This is crazy headlines today…almost unbelievable…but you better believe it..
Vince, the Mississippi is at least a little better than it was last year. It is another major thoroughfare for commerce – the Amazon – that has been stealing the headlines of late.
The Vistula in Poland went from record lows to catastrophic flooding after Storm Boris in September and China’s Yangtze, as mentioned in the thread, has gone from catastrophic flooding earlier this year to record lows. Such is the extraordinary “weather whiplash” of this era.
The Arctic methane article was quite good, minus the requisite hopium at the end.
“Now, with the melting of the Arctic and the release of millions of tonnes of frozen methane, the Earth may just have reached the point where it generates hothouse conditions all on its own.
As the Planet warms by 2 and then 3 degrees, most experts anticipate a series of worsening famines, driven by climate hammer blows – droughts, floods and storms – causing devastation to world agriculture. At the same time water scarcity in the drier regions will become acute for over a billion people.
These will progressively release floods of refugees out of the most damaged regions into those that appear more stable. At the same time food and water become scarcer and less affordable for everyone. Borders will vanish and governments be swept away. Wars may break out in the scramble for basic resources. The world economy will implode like the Titan submersible.
A bitter and deadly struggle for survival will ensue, from which no ‘country’ is immune, or sufficiently remote. Whether there will be any ‘winners’ is doubtful. Canadian author Gwynne Dyer, in his book Climate Wars thought about 300,000 humans might be left, clinging on in the now-melted Arctic regions. At +4 degrees, eminent climate scientist Joachim Schellnhuber estimated the Earth would be able to support fewer than one billion people.”
“…300,000 humans might be left, clinging on in the now-melted Arctic regions.”
On that basis, at least 7,999,700,000 people would have been killed off. 😬
Oh, no Kali, you got this one wrong – that “requisite hopium” at the end was of the purest sort, providing just the kind of euphoric high we addicts so desperately, desperately crave.
Julian Cribb- goddam that Pusherman, as Steppenwolf sang back in the drug 60s – he’s got the sweetest swag that can go tonight directly into our veins:
“If only a quarter of that sum was invested in renewable food and energy, secure water and regreening the planet to draw down climate emissions, we could maybe save half of humanity, or more, from the havoc of collapse.”
Yeah, half of the $2 trillion for arms being re-directed by those in power to those sweet, sweet ends – what pure, unadulterated bullshit to get us off! What a beautiful world, people, that only the best hopium can provide us!
Haha, Martin. Yessss! Pure, high grade blow. We won’t know what hit us (brick wall)!
“These will progressively release floods of refugees out of the most damaged regions into those that appear more stable.”
Happening now.
“At the same time food and water become scarcer and less affordable for everyone.”
Happening now.
“Borders will vanish and governments be swept away.”
In process.
“Wars may break out in the scramble for basic resources.”
Happening now.
“The world economy will implode like the Titan submersible.”
In process.
Like the mythological Cassandra, The author spoke truth and no one listened.
I’ll talk politics when right wing political delusions shine a bright light on stupidity & this is about freedom & Republicans not talking responsibility for their financial situation. They love that FREEDOM! & “Corporations are people.”
To all insurance companies: Cancel all insurance in Florida today. You are not required to take losses because people decide to live in hurricane & flood zones. I’m sure they will have no problem with corporations invoking their FREEDOM! Why should other states have to support, thru their taxes, entitled Republicans in high financial risk states. Hey Democrats, Flood plains flood!
Hypocritical egos are this species greatest enemy.
I should have learned the motto by now, “It’s not my fault.”
Signed, Bad Ass Unfiltered Old Codger
P.S – Get down on their level & beat them to death with their unregulated free market capitalism. 😉